whether obama will be able to negotiate it, i don't know. but he did not succeed negotiating something similar in iraq. >> bret: the taliban is a big question about what happens after 2014. a lot of talk that we have had around this table over the years, 11 of them, has been about the taliban has a tempt calendar than we do. they operate in decades and centuries, while the u.s. has a different calendar here locally. today, karzai said there is a new effort underway to recognize tal taliban. >> we agree on lobbying the taliban office in qatar, in doha. where the taliban will engage in direct talks with the representatives of the afghan high council for peace. where we will be seeking the help of relevantbe countrys including pakistan. >> bret: pakistan is the real question here, jonah. how that country fits in the equation. [ brief pause in captioning ] >> it used to have anger toward taliban. the one pushing the most for women's rights in afghanistan. that's how i feel. we could stay in afghanistan and destroy them. i would be fully on board